Thursday, September 13, 2007

Conversation with neocodedragos

The world is dying
And I am crying
Because I don't know what to do

Its not my problem
I didn't do it
Its not because of me the world is dead

We have to make the factory owners
Drink the water from their plants

We have to make the car owners
Breathe the air from their tail pipes

neocodesoftware: I habe 2 kids
neocodesoftware: I know I wants to do more
neocodedragos: i mean you need to change others as well, influence them
neocodesoftware: Yes
neocodesoftware: I have a site
neocodesoftware: About teaching people about how past cities died
neocodesoftware: Because the rich kept taking and taking
neocodesoftware: And never gave anything back to the land
neocodesoftware: For millions of years
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neocodedragos: you know.. im lost there, influence others - i cant
neocodesoftware: The rich extract maximum resources from the land
neocodedragos: i think most effective is take 1 and make him good
neocodesoftware: Exactly
neocodedragos: than you and him -> 2 others, etc
neocodesoftware: Different people work on different scale
neocodesoftware: Some are good 1 on 1
neocodesoftware: Some are good 1 on 30
neocodesoftware: Some are good 1 on 1 million
neocodesoftware: Like film and music stars
neocodesoftware: Thank you for reminding me of my duty
neocodesoftware: Your duty is influence ana
neocodesoftware: My duty is influence my family
neocodesoftware: The ancients who wished to illustrate illustrious
virtue throughout the kingdom, first ordered well their own states.
Wishing to order well their states, they first regulated their families.
Wishing to regulate their families, they first cultivated their persons.
Wishing to cultivate their persons, they first rectified their hearts.
Wishing to rectify their hearts, they first sought to be sincere in
their thoughts. Wishing to be sincere in their thoughts, they first
extended to the utmost their knowledge. Such extension of knowledge lay
in the investigation of things.
neocodesoftware:
neocodedragos: im reminded every day
neocodesoftware: Things being investigated, knowledge became complete.
Their knowledge being complete, their thoughts were sincere. Their
thoughts being sincere, their hearts were then rectified. Their hearts
being rectified, their persons were cultivated. Their persons being
cultivated, their families were regulated. Their families being
regulated, their states were rightly governed. Their states being
rightly governed, the whole kingdom was made tranquil and happy.
neocodesoftware:
neocodedragos: and im inbetween running and figthing
neocodesoftware: From the Son of Heaven down to the mass of the people,
all must consider the cultivation of the person the root of everything
besides.
neocodedragos: but im not doing anything.. i mean nothing really
matters
neocodedragos: the world is big, im alone, no plan,
neocodesoftware: ecclesiastes
neocodesoftware: That's my favorite old testament book
neocodesoftware: And that's exactly what it talks about
neocodesoftware: So
neocodedragos: wheres that "" from
neocodedragos: ok
neocodesoftware: Yesterday bill was saying same to
neocodesoftware: The long quote is lao tzu - confucious
neocodesoftware: Chinese guy - hundreds of years old
neocodesoftware: He was saying what you are saying
neocodesoftware: "I am sick of the world. This world is making me
sick."
neocodedragos: thinking there were so many better than be before me how
can i/you change anything now
neocodedragos: when theres more men and more indifference
neocodedragos: anyway
neocodesoftware: I talked about my web site idea
neocodesoftware: Beg borrow buy
neocodesoftware: Which is about teaching people how to share
neocodesoftware: And use what things we have already
neocodesoftware: And no and buy new stuff
neocodedragos: too soon
neocodesoftware: ?
neocodedragos: that wont work when things are ok for most
neocodedragos: or most powerful
neocodedragos: you need war and disasters to go to that
neocodedragos: i hope im wrong but i dont think anything will change w/o
that
neocodedragos: and im afraid (?) to go and speak
neocodedragos: to people
neocodesoftware: People in vancouver feel it now
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neocodedragos: get them to listen etc
neocodesoftware: We feel the environment is a disaster
neocodedragos: oh, weather? that nothing
neocodedragos: you have heat, clothes, worm cars
neocodesoftware: Al gore feels its a disaster
neocodesoftware: New orleans was a disaster
neocodedragos: did you ever felt like putting orders in thoughts and go
before a crowd and make them see your way?
neocodedragos: do you think you would have changed anything?
neocodesoftware: Of course
neocodedragos: i want to make a pet shelter
neocodesoftware: That's my dream
neocodedragos: i want ana to do the same for homeless people - i cant do
that because i hate people
neocodedragos: what would i change with that? nothing really
neocodedragos: the world is too big, if you understand what i mean
neocodesoftware: Its not that
neocodesoftware: How did you them evolve?
neocodesoftware: The problem is overpopulation
neocodesoftware: Here the shelters neuter or spay the animals
neocodesoftware: To reduce population
neocodedragos: i dont like it but mine would do that too
neocodesoftware:

http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2006.11-books-the-bad-future/
neocodesoftware: Weather / disaster / future / new orleans
neocodedragos: the world is perfect, numbers are controled by nature but
we changed that..
neocodedragos: how can you go home and sit at your tv when you know
someone else near you doesnt have food?
neocodesoftware: no
neocodesoftware: Your are wrong
neocodesoftware: This isn't new
neocodesoftware: Before cities
neocodedragos: i hate ppl - so im little touched by that, but i have
seeing animals like that
neocodesoftware: Before agriculture
neocodedragos: but i *hate seeing
neocodesoftware: Thousands of years ago
neocodesoftware: When we were hunters
neocodedragos: yes - starvation is nature control
neocodesoftware: We killed thousands of horses
neocodesoftware: By making them run off cliffs
neocodesoftware: That's is about 20,000 years ago
neocodesoftware: You are a killing machine
neocodesoftware: You are the result of millions of years of evolution
neocodedragos: where are you going with
neocodesoftware: You are the best killing machine this planet has made
neocodesoftware: Know yourself
neocodesoftware: How long have people been building cities?
neocodedragos: yep, but isnt this a paradox - i want to kill everyone/me
to leave the planet clean
neocodedragos: why?
neocodesoftware: We are killers
neocodesoftware: Inside we are jesus and we are hitler
neocodesoftware: Kill them all
neocodesoftware: But save the kittens
neocodedragos: ive lost power - if battery dies im offline
neocodesoftware: Ok
neocodesoftware: Haha
neocodesoftware: Ttyl
neocodesoftware: Better shut down
neocodedragos: im still asking
neocodedragos: how can you go home and sit at your tv when you know
someone else near you doesnt have food?
neocodedragos: when im home
neocodedragos: i just dont think about it
neocodesoftware: Because I have to feed my son
neocodesoftware: I have to feed my wife
neocodedragos: if i do i would go to the conclusion i cant change
anything
neocodesoftware: I have to feed my daughter
neocodesoftware: Jesus doesn't say that
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neocodedragos: or go to some insane race to purify thoughts of ppl
neocodesoftware: Buddha doesn't say that
neocodesoftware: Mohammad doesn't say that
neocodesoftware: Redemption
neocodedragos: ok
neocodesoftware: Forgiveness of sins
neocodesoftware: Exactly
neocodedragos: when im out and i see some dog that is skinny
neocodesoftware: You feel you are a sinner
neocodedragos: you have no idea what you can see around here
neocodedragos: i just give it any food i have on me
neocodesoftware: I see drug addicts
neocodedragos: or buy if i have money
neocodesoftware: Every day
neocodesoftware: Eating garbage
neocodesoftware: They are like human animals
neocodesoftware: On the street
neocodesoftware: I work in the poorest area in north america
neocodesoftware: The drug addicts
neocodesoftware: Live in garbage
neocodesoftware: Shit on the street
neocodesoftware: Google "downtown eastside addicts"
neocodedragos: do you think you could change one?
neocodesoftware: Or "vancouver downtown eastisde addicts"
neocodesoftware: No
neocodesoftware: I have had friends that turned into that
neocodesoftware: They are like babies
neocodedragos: i know there are organizations to do that.. but theyre
not very efficient if there are still drug addicts on the streets
neocodedragos: constant attention
neocodesoftware: Their families
neocodesoftware: Are the problem
neocodesoftware: They are children
neocodesoftware: Of some mom and some dad
neocodesoftware: That doesn't care for them
neocodesoftware: Orphans
neocodesoftware: And they know that
neocodedragos: i still think me/you are a sinner
neocodedragos: still
neocodedragos: because its not only about making yourself good
neocodedragos: its about changing everyone
neocodesoftware: And they go into the world of drugs
neocodedragos: think it like a team
neocodedragos: would you be able to win a baseball match if the team
looses?
neocodedragos: its a stupid example but its easiest for me
neocodesoftware: No
neocodesoftware: I get it
neocodesoftware: For me
neocodesoftware: J. K. Rowling
neocodesoftware: Author of harry potter is best example
neocodedragos: and you cant make yourself better of you walk around
those drug addicts everyday
neocodesoftware: Of what a writer can do
neocodedragos: because they will always make you suffer seeing them
neocodesoftware: Yes
neocodedragos: media is powerful but its just pleasing
neocodesoftware: But do I want to help them to ease my suffering
neocodedragos: write a book about saving the world and how to do it and
see how successful youll be
neocodesoftware: Or truly ease their suffering and give them what they
want
neocodesoftware: No
neocodesoftware: She wrote that book because she was starving
neocodesoftware: And couldn't feed her daughter
neocodesoftware: She wrote a story of good vs evil
neocodedragos: i have no idea, im not a fan, just saw the movie
neocodedragos: ok
neocodesoftware: stories change the world
neocodesoftware: Capitalism is a story
neocodedragos: talking like this just reminds me.. but i dont know if
theres any point
neocodesoftware: I just want to leave the world better than I found it
neocodesoftware: But is that because I want to be proud of myself?
neocodesoftware: Is that noble?
neocodesoftware: Do I just want to be noble and heroic?
neocodedragos: i dont want any, i want to be happy
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neocodesoftware: You see the skinny dogs on the street
neocodesoftware: But you don't see the hundreds of thousands of
prisoners being tortured
neocodesoftware: Everyday
neocodesoftware: Man is only cruelest to man
neocodedragos: i dont care about ppl i said so, they did this
neocodedragos: if not actively, then by ignorance
neocodedragos: i saw a movie in the news here some years ago, i still
see it
neocodedragos: a dog tied up on something like a cross with chest
forward
neocodedragos: and a soldier training to kill on him
neocodedragos: stabbing him
neocodedragos: they didnt censor it
neocodesoftware: Ouch
neocodesoftware: I can't watch that
neocodesoftware: I am canadian
neocodesoftware: Because my parents
neocodesoftware: Escaped from the usa
neocodesoftware: When my father was drafted to kill vietnamese
neocodesoftware: I am born a pacifist
neocodesoftware: I will not serve the king
neocodedragos: its either kill or change, if you dont do anything
actively youre guilty of ignorance or not having courage
neocodedragos: you can kill evil or change it to good
neocodedragos: i really mean that, think about it
neocodedragos: leading by example is nothing if you dont lead
neocodesoftware: Or you can resist
neocodesoftware: Resistance is good too
neocodedragos: and i dont lead, you dont lead, not enough power
neocodesoftware: Coca cola spends billions
neocodesoftware: To lead people
neocodedragos: youll just die eventually
neocodesoftware: Yes
neocodedragos: more good is turned around that otherwise
neocodesoftware: I want to lead people to buy healthy products
neocodesoftware: Products made by free people
neocodesoftware: Not products made by slaves
neocodesoftware: Products made with gifts of the earth
neocodesoftware: Not products made with things stolen from the ground
neocodedragos: if you want that then do it, i wish someone would tell me
that too
neocodesoftware: Are there any 800 year old trees in your country
neocodedragos: im telling it to myself, maybe it will work eventually
:)
neocodesoftware: Yes
neocodedragos: you know, youre only judged by results, right?
neocodesoftware: Yes
neocodesoftware: I hope I can make enough money
neocodesoftware: So that I can feed my family
neocodesoftware: And do beg borrow buy
neocodesoftware: Teaching people to share and buy only freedom
neocodedragos: wrong approach, i know its wrong and still hope to it
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neocodedragos: make more money -> do more good
neocodedragos: money is evil so you wont ever do more good
neocodedragos: because
neocodedragos: making more money - being more selfish
neocodedragos: to get more and more
neocodesoftware: I want to keep my house
neocodesoftware: But probably I cant
neocodesoftware: Too expensive
neocodedragos: it will change you
neocodedragos: you need to help yourself before hoping others..
neocodesoftware: You help yourself
neocodesoftware: By helping others
neocodesoftware: That's the lesson of the wise
neocodedragos: but i mean - trying more money to do more good is not the
way..
neocodedragos: exactly its not about money
neocodesoftware: Yes
neocodedragos: now i need to understand that :-)
neocodesoftware: Just do it
neocodedragos: because its so easy to say it
neocodesoftware: In a way we can afford
neocodesoftware: We need to do it with what we have
neocodesoftware: Google "stone soup story"
neocodesoftware: We have enough
neocodesoftware: We have everything we need
neocodesoftware: How can I rearrange things
neocodedragos: http://www.extremelinux.info/stonesoup/stonesoup.html
neocodedragos: i told him ill do it today
neocodesoftware: You got it
neocodesoftware: That's the story
neocodesoftware: I have everything I need already
neocodesoftware: Its hidden
neocodesoftware: But I have it
neocodesoftware: Just look harder
neocodesoftware: http://www.google.com/search?q=tyee+naomi+klein&hl=en
neocodedragos: i know, its funny in a way..
neocodesoftware: That book "shock doctrine"
neocodesoftware: Is how the rich you disasters
neocodesoftware: Use disasters
neocodesoftware: To chang the world
neocodesoftware: To make themselves richer
neocodesoftware: stone soup
neocodesoftware: = the power of stories
neocodesoftware: = teaching people to share
neocodesoftware: = my favorite thing

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